Monday, January 3, 2022

You've Gotta Love Somebody, Why Not The Warriors?

 

The Current Warrior Team Might Be Better than Their First Championship Team, 2015-16


I'm not a basketball geek, one of those guys who can figure out exactly what exact thing is exactly missing on a team, who can throw around stats, can figure out what trade would be crucial, etc. I do have strong opinions and a pretty good memory. I am famous among my b-ball email thread comrades, for instance, for my disdain of Bob Cousy, as well as for the worst announcer of all time, Boston's Johnny Most (and my friend Bob has the tape to prove it.) What a homer, what a font of misjudgment! To me, Wilt is the best of all time and would continue to dominate today, Guy Rodgers is sorely underestimated by history (if only his shot hadn't been so flat,) Philadelphia basketball was the best in the early days of the league, and the all-time best 5 could still be Chamberlain, Big O, West, Michael (moving to small forward), and (probably wrongly here) Bird. So, as I say, my preferences are perhaps idiosyncratic. I now think, actually, that b-ball has made so much progress and has changed so much, with modern players on average so much better than the older guys, that all these discussions should be done by tranches in time, by decade. But, as I say, my claim not to be a b-ball genius is widely accepted among my friends.

But I do love a good game of basketball, and I love our modern Warriors. I started rooting for the Warriors shortly after they were founded in 1945, imitated in our back yard a shot I imagined Joe Fulks had, and we migrated together to the Bay Area. I got us season tickets starting in 1988 with the Don Nelson years, the Run TMC years, when our seats about 14 rows behind the basket cost $14 apiece – and they remain our family's team. You know how that goes. When the most modern era started with new ownership and Myers and Kerr and the gang, we didn't have to start paying attention. It had been our team for a very long time.

So, while I'm modest about my analytical capabilities, I count myself a dedicated fan, and thus entitled to opine. I felt that the Warriors of two years ago were unwatchable, but last year watchable again, and now this year, wow! It's time to make sure there are no conflicts with Warrior games! The Warriors have the best record in basketball, even before the return of Klay and Wiseman. That's amazing. This could actually be another championship team. What is the team like? To me, it feels the same as the 2014-15 Warriors.

Steph is undiminished and wiser, and Draymond is now at his peak, and I think Kerr is right when he says, Hall of Fame Draymond. The small forward position was filled in 2014-5 by my bête noire, Mr. Miss-Every-Important-Shot, Harrison Barnes. Instead, we have Andrew Wiggins, great defender, newly energized on offense, possible All Star, huge improvement. Missing, however, is center Andrew Bogut, excellent true center, Looney is excellent, but doesn't have the size to face Milwaukee (Greek Freak), Philly (Embiid), or even Phoenix (Ayton.) The Klay spot is filled temporarily by Jordan Poole, who used the last two years to learn, and is now excellent – he can really shoot, and he can really play.

When Klay gets back, the big 3's excellence is unabated. The three spot is improved. Looney is almost as good as Bogut was, better in some respects – he can score more, is more mobile, can't pass as well or pick as well, but does OK – it's just with opposing big men where the deficit is most felt. When Wiseman gets back, even though he's not as physically solid nor as experienced as Bogut was, he's a much better athlete and can protect the rim well. Comparing the starting 5 today with 2014-15; I'd say they are better. Comparing HB to Wigs, a lot better.

In 2014-15, I remember being astounded by the quality of the bench. Iguadala was the key to the second unit, knowing how to play, defense, one of best sixth men in history, Finals MVP. Who didn't love Mo Buckets, coming off the bench at 6'11” and hitting unerringly from about 18 feet? Barbosa playing five years younger, so effective and energetic, offense. Livingston, medical miracle, deadly in his turn-arounds at one or two special spots, also knows how to play, mature and smart. Smart team, experienced. Wonderful to watch.

But today's bench is amazingly strong, and interestingly, as in 2014-15, many of them come from years of neglect by other teams. The former Iguadala is better than today's, instead of having ten years in the league, has 17, amazingly effective even if past his sell-by date, but diminished and available only in spots. But Poole is better than anyone else in 2014-15 including Barbosa, GPII better than Livingston defensively and probably as good offensively and on the boards, Bjelica and Porter both at least as good as Mo Buckets defensively and on the boards and each can score at least as well, and they are better all around players. JTA (Oakland native whom I love) had no equivalence back then, and Damien Lee doesn't seem to have had an equivalence, either. Both can play 10-15 minutes with great energy, score, and defend. And, we haven't even mentioned the 19 year old Congo sensation, Jonathan Kuminga, who when he gets in a game seems capable of being a starter very soon. You just don't know how soon this flower will bloom – his talent is immense.

So, put together all the bench players and rate them, and maybe the old Iguadala would be the best of all of them, but the list of those who come next would probably be from today's bench.

So, in conclusion, I'm thinking that the 2014-15 Warriors were a championship team. It seems that this team today, capable of having the league's best record to date even before the return of Klay and Wiseman, even with Kuminga being so very young, has the better roster. And they are at least as good to watch. Injuries, illness, unexplained changes in effectiveness, sudden aging, and just plain luck will all have a say in the end result. But for now, I'm rating them better than 2014-15, and so, amazingly given the past two futile and lost years, they could go all the way.


2014-2015 Warriors

o.

Player

Pos

Ht

Wt

Birth Date

 

Exp

College

19

Leandro Barbosa

SG

6-3

194

November 28, 1982

br

11


40

Harrison Barnes

SF

6-8

225

May 30, 1992

us

2

UNC

12

Andrew Bogut

C

7-0

260

November 28, 1984

au

9

Utah

30

Stephen Curry

PG

6-2

185

March 14, 1988

us

5

Davidson

31

Festus Ezeli

C

6-11

255

October 21, 1989

ng

1

Vanderbilt

23

Draymond Green

PF

6-6

230

March 4, 1990

us

2

Michigan State

7

Justin Holiday

SG

6-6

180

April 5, 1989

us

1

Washington

9

Andre Iguodala

SF

6-6

215

January 28, 1984

us

10

Arizona

1

Ognjen Kuzmić

C

7-1

251

May 16, 1990

ba

1


10

David Lee

PF

6-9

245

April 29, 1983

us

9

Florida

34

Shaun Livingston

PG

6-7

192

September 11, 1985

us

9


20

James Michael McAdoo

PF

6-9

230

January 4, 1993

us

R

UNC

4

Brandon Rush

SG

6-6

220

July 7, 1985

us

6

Kansas

5

Marreese Speights

C

6-10

255

August 4, 1987

us

6

Florida

11

Klay Thompson

SG

6-6

215

February 8, 1990

us

3

Washington State




Current Warriors Roster

No.

Player

Pos

Ht

Wt

Birth Date

 

Exp

College

8

Nemanja Bjelica

C

6-10

234

May 9, 1988

rs

6


5

Kevon Looney

C

6-9

222

February 6, 1996

us

6

UCLA

0

Gary Payton II

PG

6-3

190

December 1, 1992

us

5

Oregon State

95

Juan Toscano-Anderson

SF

6-6

209

April 10, 1993

us

2

Marquette

30

Stephen Curry

PG

6-2

185

March 14, 1988

us

12

Davidson

22

Andrew Wiggins

SF

6-7

197

February 23, 1995

ca

7

Kansas

23

Draymond Green

PF

6-6

230

March 4, 1990

us

9

Michigan State

32

Otto Porter Jr.

PF

6-8

198

June 3, 1993

us

8

Georgetown

3

Jordan Poole

SG

6-4

194

June 19, 1999

us

2

Michigan

1

Damion Lee

SG

6-5

210

October 21, 1992

us

4

Drexel, Louisville

00

Jonathan Kuminga

SF

6-8

210

October 6, 2002

cd

R


4

Moses Moody

SG

6-6

205

May 31, 2002

us

R

Arkansas

9

Andre Iguodala

SF

6-6

215

January 28, 1984

us

17

Arizona

2

Chris Chiozza  (TW)

PG

5-11

175

November 21, 1995

us

3

Florida

21

Jeff Dowtin  (TW)

PG

6-3

185

May 10, 1997

us

R

Rhode Island

12

Quinndary Weatherspoon

SG

6-3

205

September 10, 1996

us

2

Mississippi State


James Wiseman

C

7-0

240

March 31, 2001

us

1

Memphis


Klay Thompson

SG

6-6

215

February 8, 1990

us

8

Washington State

Golden State Warriors Depth Chart


PG

SG

SF

PF

C

Starter

2nd

3rd

4th

5th

Stephen Curry

Gary Payton II

Chris Chiozza

Damion Lee

Jordan Poole

Jordan Poole

Damion Lee

Gary Payton II

Andrew Wiggins

Moses Moody

Andrew Wiggins

Andre Iguodala

Otto Porter Jr.

Damion Lee

Jordan Poole

Draymond Green

Otto Porter Jr.

Juan Toscano-Anderson

Jonathan Kuminga

Nemanja Bjelica

Kevon Looney

James Wiseman

Draymond Green

Nemanja Bjelica

Juan Toscano-Anderson



Budd Shenkin

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